Questions for Christians #3

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topic: morality.

I don’t know why the morality arguments keep showing up in religion vs atheism debates/discussions. Time to ask some questions about it.

Do you think that you need God to be moral? Or at least morally superior?

Is morality given to us by God? If so, how come neither he nor Jesus ever said that slavery was wrong?

If God told you to murder someone, would you do it? Even if he said that everything is now moral, would you go about committing crimes?

Is killing in the name of God moral? Or is killing because God told you to moral?

Do you think that apes can show signs of morality even though they have no idea of the concept? If so, what is your reaction to the fact that studies have shown that apes are capable of moral behavior?

Do you seriously believe that atheists are immoral?

Are you only good because you fear punishment in Hell? Or are you only good because you expect a reward in Heaven?

Why do the Ten Commandments leave out Genocide, rape and slavery?

Why does God think that morality is written on everybody’s hearts? Doctors have examined hearts, and there are no words on them. Let’s not forget that the heart isn’t where emotions come from either.

Further reading:

Questions for Christians #1

Questions for Christians #2

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10 thoughts on “Questions for Christians #3

  1. Morality is a kind of perspective in our willing to do things. It’s like giving gifts. There are at least two moral values in giving gifts: (1) to gain something in return, or (2) to give something without expecting anything in return. Further for #2, there are two more moral (sub)values depending on the intention: (2.1) so that other people will see the giver as a “good person”, or (2.2) for the very reason that the giver loves the one who receives. So on and so forth.

    Another thing: Morality is an effect of a relationship, not a requirement for a relationship. Since we are friends, we look for and to each other. Since I am your father, I will provide and protect. Since I am your mother, I will rear and guide you. Since I am your son, I will behave like a son to you. Since I am your dog, you will be my master and obey your commands.

    By accepting God as your Lord and Master, one obeys the Divine Will. As such, a different kind of morality shoots forth. First and foremost, the true God does not command against the nature of Man. Thus, “command” is a very culturally biased word and may not be applicable to all “commands” such as “kill another”. In the Old Testament, killing is a social norm being that human societies are in their infancy. In the age of reason, I don’t think that God allows such “commands” except two: (1) Love your God with all of your being; and (2) Love your neighbor as you would love yourself (in relation to #1).

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      • For perspective, you may look at the context of the passage here: http://biblehub.com/luke/14-26.htm

        Basically, God is informing us that love has hierarchy. There are better goods. For example, health is more important that taste; so when a person is ill, s/he takes the bitter medicine for health. I have read something like this: “No pain, no gain.” Whatever will be gained must be a greater good than loosing comfort (non-pain).

        Thus, indeed, if one loves his parents (surely also creatures, but event the best of all creatures for one’s eyes) more than God (that it Christ himself) then you do not get the perfection of humanity in you. Simply, God wishes that everyone live to our very nature as we are and see the correct hierarchy of goods: Creature > Creatures (Man > animals > plants > minerals).

        Your question here is connected to your question of happiness in Heaven given the relatives in Hell. Because of our love of them (not for our own gain), we wish them to get to Heaven with us. Isn’t it a good ride to Heaven when we are with our loved ones?

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        • So God expects humans to love him? In my opinion, love and respect are not granted, they are earned. God supposedly created everybody and loves them and all of that, however the solid evidence for this is somewhat lacking, and that might explain why only 2 billion of the 7 billion humans on the planet are Christian.

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          • If God need to earn respect, He would not be God. It contradicts his very nature. It’s like a human master must earn his place to earn respect from his pet.

            Simply, we cannot reduce the Christian God to be like those fictional gods. He is not made by our human mind but just HE IS.

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          • The number of follower does not prove anything. Truth is not democratic. Science is not democratic. Once, almost all scientists believed that the Earth is flat and this did never “validated” its truth value.

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              • This is the reason the Bible does not condemn slavery – God expects humans to act like slaves.
                In many ways God is like a tyrannical dictator – he demands to be worshiped, praised, loved, respected and feared, and then punishes people if they don’t do it. That is not a God that I – or any other atheist – would want to worship.

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              • Obviously, even if an evidence is plain and overwhelming, the observer can always deny is presence. Thus, is not just about presence or absence of evidence but also depends on the eyes that look and the light used to see.

                Indeed, many look but few see; many hears but few listens. The Kingdom cannot be seen in the light of the World but in the light of the (true) Faith.

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              • Moreover, humanity develop. It takes time for truth to spread and there are also those who corrupt its transmission. Thus one cannot use statistics simply as evidence against without considering other factors.

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